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		<title>links for 2011-01-12</title>
		<link>http://blog.elivingsystems.com/2011/01/12/links-for-2011-01-12/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 05:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Should I work for free? Kickstarter (tags: community art inspiration)]]></description>
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<div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.kickstarter.com/">Kickstarter</a></div>
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		<title>Compare symfony 1.4 and Symfony 2</title>
		<link>http://blog.elivingsystems.com/2011/01/12/compare-symfony-1-and-symfony-2/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently I have been at the crossroads of choosing between symfony 1.4 and Symfony2. This is a short list of pros and cons that helped with the decision making. Other factors to consider: Expected lifetime of the website Other sites at production level are built with Symfony2 http://www.exercise.com/ http://lichess.org/ Other web shops starting to use [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently I have been at the crossroads of choosing between symfony 1.4 and Symfony2. This is a short list of pros and cons that helped with the decision making.</p>
<h2>Other factors to consider:</h2>
<ul>
<li>Expected lifetime of the website</li>
<li>Other sites at production level are built with Symfony2
<ul>
<li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.exercise.com/">http://www.exercise.com/<sup><img src="http://sports-confluence.eac.ad.ea.com/images/icons/linkext7.gif" border="0" alt="" width="7" height="7" align="absmiddle" /></sup></a></li>
<li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.exercise.com/"><sup> </sup></a><a rel="nofollow" href="http://lichess.org/">http://lichess.org/<sup><img src="http://sports-confluence.eac.ad.ea.com/images/icons/linkext7.gif" border="0" alt="" width="7" height="7" align="absmiddle" /></sup></a></li>
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<li>Other web shops starting to use Symfony2
<ul>
<li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.knplabs.com/en/realisations">http://www.knplabs.com/en/realisations<sup><img src="http://sports-confluence.eac.ad.ea.com/images/icons/linkext7.gif" border="0" alt="" width="7" height="7" align="absmiddle" /></sup></a></li>
</ul>
</li>
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<h2><a name="Comparesymfony1.4andSymfony2frameworks-Symfony1"></a><a href="http://www.symfony-project.org/">Symfony 1</a></h2>
<p><strong>Pros</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Knows it very well. Public API as well as internal workings.</li>
<li>PEAR for plugin management</li>
<li>Tried tested and true framework</li>
<li>Lots of <a href="http://www.symfony-project.org/plugins/">plugins</a> off the shelf from the community</li>
<li>I18N / L10N database for dates, etc complete ICU data</li>
<li>Well known best practices, naming conventions, configuration framework</li>
<li>Know what solution fits the job (when to use filters, helpers, extend internal components, etc)</li>
<li>Lots of documentation, how to&#8217;s, guides, tutorials, etc</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Cons</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>Non xunit testing framework (lime)</li>
<li>Slower then symfony 2</li>
<li>End of maintenance 11/2012</li>
<li>Older technology</li>
<li>Does not take advantage of PHP 5.3 namespaces</li>
</ul>
<h2><a name="Comparesymfony1.4andSymfony2frameworks-Symfony2"></a><a href="http://symfony-reloaded.org/">Symfony 2</a></h2>
<p><strong>Pros</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>ESI &#8211; edge side includes. Big performance boost if used correctly.</li>
<li>Dependancy Injection and decoupling of modules</li>
<li>Takes advantage of PHP 5.3 &#8211; namespaces, etc. This provides much cleaner code.</li>
<li>Uses standard logging, etc other components from Zend</li>
<li>Standardized testing framework (PHPUnit)</li>
<li>Twig templating seem to provide succinct syntax</li>
<li>Mongo DB support out of the box</li>
<li>Doctrine 2</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Cons</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>New to the team. Learning curve</li>
<li>Not finished development. Target is March 2011 for final
<ul>
<li>API not stable yet</li>
<li>Not as many projects in production</li>
<li>No admin generator bundle</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Some modules we need may not be built yet</li>
<li>Seems like only support for handling install / upgrade / dependancies of bundles in git sub modules. No PEAR2 support (yet?)</li>
<li>Lack of complete documentation and how to&#8217;s
<ul>
<li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://docs.symfony-reloaded.org/?page=learn">http://docs.symfony-reloaded.org/?page=learn<sup><img src="http://sports-confluence.eac.ad.ea.com/images/icons/linkext7.gif" border="0" alt="" width="7" height="7" align="absmiddle" /></sup></a></li>
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<p>I actually had a small Q&amp;A with symfony creator Fabien Potencier:</p>
<p><!-- p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px} p.p2 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #144fae} p.p3 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica} --><strong>Me</strong>: Are there plans to integrate Pyrus package management into Symfony 2 for bundles? Is GIT submodules all there is / planned?</p>
<p><strong>Fabien</strong>: We have something planned, but it&#8217;s too early to talk about it. I can say that the tools will be more flexible than Pyrus and will probably be something on top of it (to be able to install a bundle hosted on Git without the need to create a PEAR package for instance).</p>
<p><!-- p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #144fae} p.p2 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px} p.p3 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica} --><strong>Me</strong>: Are there plans to create a Jobeet style end-to-end application tutorial? At what date?</p>
<p><strong>Fabien</strong>: No. However, a book is being written.</p>
<p><!-- p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #144fae} p.p2 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px} p.p3 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica} --><strong>Me</strong>: Are there any feature sets of Symfony 2 that are lacking compared to the more mature symfony 1?</p>
<p><strong>Fabien</strong>: The admin generator. But that&#8217;s something we will work on soon.</p>
<p><strong>Me</strong>: Does Symfony 2 have a supported way to handle an asset CDN other then a hack like the override of &#8220;_compute_public_path()&#8221; helper in symfony 1?</p>
<p><strong>Fabien</strong>: Yes, it is supported out of the box.</p>
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		<title>links for 2011-01-11</title>
		<link>http://blog.elivingsystems.com/2011/01/11/links-for-2011-01-11/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 05:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>xanders</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Difference Between Agile Themes, Epics and User Stories &#8230; (tags: software projectmanagement agile)]]></description>
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		<title>links for 2010-04-28</title>
		<link>http://blog.elivingsystems.com/2010/04/28/links-for-2010-04-28/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 05:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>xanders</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Super Mario Crossover Play the original Super Mario Bros with characters from classic Nintendo games. (tags: games flash mario nintendo retro)]]></description>
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<div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/534416">Super Mario Crossover</a></div>
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		<title>links for 2010-04-06</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 05:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>links for 2010-03-16</title>
		<link>http://blog.elivingsystems.com/2010/03/16/links-for-2010-03-16/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>links for 2010-02-07</title>
		<link>http://blog.elivingsystems.com/2010/02/07/links-for-2010-02-07/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 05:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Top Cities (tags: V)]]></description>
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		<title>links for 2010-01-15</title>
		<link>http://blog.elivingsystems.com/2010/01/15/links-for-2010-01-15/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 05:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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<div class="delicious-link"><a href="http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/25-breathtaking-nature-photography/">25 Breathtaking Examples of Nature Photography | Inspiration</a></div>
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		<title>links for 2010-01-11</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 05:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<link>http://blog.elivingsystems.com/2010/01/10/links-for-2010-01-10/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 05:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ATDHE.Net &#8211; Watch Free Live Sports TV (tags: tv sports video free)]]></description>
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